Ms Ward notes that NSW has the lowest penalties for animal cruelty in the country. She raises that there is also the issue of enforcement of these welfare laws.

Ms Hurst requests examples of trespass to give the legislative context, however a point of order is called.

Point of order is resolved. 

Ms Ward highlights that animal advocates are not the main perpetrators of farm trespass, instead it is hunters. She suggests that mentioning animal advocates is a "red herring". She suggests that it is up to proponents of the Bill to show that it will in fact reduce farm trespass.

She continues by saying the whole bill is problematic, saying that there is lack of evidence to support "draconian" increases in penalties. Ms Ward adds that the Animal Defenders Office does not see how the Bill will protect the farming community in a realistic manner.