Ms Wright notes that increased penalties are not a real deterrent, rather the fear of getting caught is. 

Ms Hurst questions the impacts on whistleblowers within the animal agriculture industry. 

Ms Minter notes that while the unions do have concerns they would better be addressed with the unions affected included the meatworkers union.

Discussion moves to the issue of biosecurity.

Ms Wright notes that to her knowledge animal activists do their best to comply with biosecurity regulations when engaging in peaceful protest. Committee members suggest that rather it may be an attempt to "blend in", but this is turned down by Ms Wright who states she cannot make comment on the mental processes that go into staging a farm protest.

Chair, the Hon. Mark Banasiak says being inside animal activists' heads would be getting into a "scary place".